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Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future

issue #55: Inventing the future

Maria Grazia Chiuri, former Creative Director of Valentino and Dior and newly appointed Creative Director of Fendi, breathes new life into the legendary Teatro della Cometa in Rome, together with her daughter Rachele Regini. It is from this place — an emblematic symbol of resistance and passion — that they will once again reinvent the future. We discuss it in this Podcast interview.

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Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
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CALEIDO

@mariagraziachiuri and @racheleregini, we find you united in the artistic journey of Teatro della Cometa. What is the connection between the art of theatre and contemporary society, especially in relation to your respective generations?

MARIA GRAZIA

There are certainly aspects that theatre and contemporary society have in common, but also elements of contrast. The common thread lies in the concept of representation: theatre is representation, and in contemporary times, we talk a lot about it. However, there is also a distance, because nowadays representation is often mediated by video, whereas in theatre it happens live, with the performer and the audience both taking part in the performance in some way.

RACHELE

My generation is defined by scrolling, by the constant consumption of increasingly short and performance-driven content, designed to instantly capture our attention. We were almost born with ADHD, with the inability to concentrate on anything for long.

Theatre is, in this sense, its perfect antithesis:
it forces us to be present,
here and now. That’s precisely
what I find fascinating about it.
It’s a difficult space to inhabit,
but difficult things are
often the most interesting.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa
Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Unpublished: taken from Maria Grazia Chiuri Camera's roll

CALEIDO

In the world of fashion and art more broadly, we often encounter creative duos. When and how did you realise that your personal affinity, as mother and daughter, could also thrive in a professional dimension? Within your creative alchemy, in which areas does individualism prevail, and in which does collaboration find space?

RACHELE

Our alchemy and working relationship are things we truly had to earn and nurture. It didn’t happen instantly, but we were immediately aligned in our shared vision for the project — across the board: from collaborations with artists to the way these should be communicated and brought to life, all the way to the mood and spirit the collection should embody and express. Ultimately, the space where our collaboration flourished was exactly in this shared global vision.

MARIA GRAZIA

For me, working collaboratively feels very natural — not only with Rachele but also with the entire team. Of course, this needs to be managed, especially when it comes to balancing one’s private life — trying, as much as possible, not to bring work home. It’s essential to preserve personal space, otherwise the professional relationship risks becoming all-consuming, especially because we are so passionate about what we do. I don’t believe working together is easy for anyone, but I do believe that’s its beauty: it generates immense, mutual enrichment.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
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Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa
Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa

CALEIDO

Maria Grazia Chiuri, your projects often contain a strong element of female storytelling. How do you construct this narrative? Was there a particular moment when you realised that this message was no longer just your individual voice, but had become a shared cultural language?

MARIA GRAZIA

I believe that any type of
work carries a deeply personal
dimension. Often, you realise
that this experience isn’t
exclusively your own, but can be
shared with others.

The opportunity to express it allows one to discover that there are people who are interested, or who, in some way, share similar visions and challenges. However, there’s no precise moment when you become aware of this: it’s more of a journey undertaken together with others, through which a common sensibility emerges.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa
Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa

CALEIDO

You consistently work with artisans, artists and intellectuals, extending the attention normally reserved for yourself to include them. Can we define this noble practice as a contemporary form of patronage? Where does your open and collaborative approach originate from, and how does dialogue shape and expand your creative vision?

MARIA GRAZIA

I don’t consider this practice to be a form of patronage. In fashion, I’ve always described myself as a community-based creative director. I like working within a community, with others. What interests me most is the creative process, and I enjoy experiencing it with others. Only through dialogue can growth and construction occur.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Sketch by Tomaso Buzzi - Courtesy of @teatrocometa
Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Sketch by Tomaso Buzzi - Courtesy of @teatrocometa

CALEIDO

On a more personal note: in life, what are the motivations that stimulate you the most? And the warning signs that hold you back?

RACHELE

I’d say my guiding principles are always research, curiosity, and passion. When I fall in love with a project, I commit myself fully to making it happen. I wouldn’t say there are any real warning signs that hold me back in my work.

MARIA GRAZIA

Sometimes, the most important aspect of these projects is the empathy that develops with others. When there is empathy and a shared desire to build something together, everything becomes easier. A red flag, on the other hand, can arise when that same level of empathy for the project isn’t felt — it’s not personal, but rather a matter of differing visions and paths.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Mimmo Rotella Teatro Della Cometa - 1959

CALEIDO

Maria Grazia Chiuri, regarding your many collaborations with artisans, artists and intellectuals, I’ve always associated you from afar with the concept of Cultural Responsibility. Could we say that one of the key responsibilities of today’s creative directors — alongside generating profits — is also to promote the culture of craftsmanship? To initiate cultural projects that go beyond commercial logic and highlight intangible values such as culture?

MARIA GRAZIA

I believe fashion is, above all, a space for dialogue — a territory where different elements come into play, including cultural ones. In my view, fashion itself is a cultural element. Unfortunately, it is often reduced to the idea of branding, but in reality, fashion is how we choose to present ourselves to the world, regardless of what we wear or which label it carries.

Humans have always used
clothing as a kind of second skin,
and for that reason, I believe we should look
at fashion not so much as a system of brands,
but in its most authentic, even
anthropological, meaning.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future

Courtesy of @teatrocometa

CALEIDO

Rachele Regini, fashion has always been seen as a key to understanding contemporary society. Do you believe this is still the case? Looking ahead, do you think there are other, equally or more significant, ways to interpret society?

RACHELE

In my view, cultural responsibility concerns fashion just as it does all other industries. We all feel the need — as both producers and consumers of images and content — to see a reflection of society that is as authentic and truthful as possible. Even our feminist commitment stems from this need: from the desire to see representations of women that truly resemble us, that exist in the real world. That’s why I believe cultural responsibility doesn’t belong to fashion alone, but to all forms — commercial or not — that express themselves in the world.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa
Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa

CALEIDO

Maria Grazia Chiuri, speaking of archives, your relationship with them seems intense: first with the archives of Monsieur Dior and the many intellectuals who inspired your creative work, and now with the Pecci Blunt archive. What does your work of translation involve in making past creations comprehensible and desirable to today’s audiences?

MARIA GRAZIA

I’m truly fascinated by archives in general. In the theatre world, I’ve worked — and continue to work — extensively on the archive of Mimì Pecci Blunt. Archives offer a way to learn, to understand a historical period and its key figures. And of course, when working on an archive, one must make choices: you become a curator, which means providing an interpretation. The archive ceases to be neutral and becomes a specific point of view.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Cecil and Mimì Pecci Blunt at the premiere of the opera “I Capricci di Marianna” – Rome, 1958 (Publifoto) Teatro Della Cometa Archive

CALEIDO

When we opened our space in Milan, we reflected on the concept of the ephemeral — the opposite of the creative dream of making something that lasts forever. What does the ephemeral mean to you? And what, in contrast, makes a creation endure in collective memory?

MARIA GRAZIA

Defining the ephemeral is extremely complex, as it depends greatly on what each person means by the term. Personally, I consider the ephemeral to be something necessary. What we perceive as lasting, on the other hand, is in fact an illusion — nothing is truly permanent. The very idea of permanence, ultimately, is an illusory concept.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Mimì Pecci Blunt with “Il Chitarrista” by Corrado Cagli – The Cometa Art Gallery New York, 1937 Teatro Della Cometa Archive

CALEIDO

Rachele Regini, if you could collaborate with a figure from the past — not necessarily from the fashion world — who would it be, and why?

RACHELE

Without a doubt, the person from the past I would have loved to collaborate with is Leonor Fini. I’m deeply fascinated by her — not only by her creations and her art but also by her personality. I would have been thrilled to meet her, and if not collaborate, then at least connect with her in some way.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Original Poster “Le Trame Deluse” – 1959 Teatro Della Cometa Archive

CALEIDO

It’s often said that everything has already been invented, only to realise there’s still plenty of room for the new. How do you build a narrative that feels relevant to the present?

MARIA GRAZIA

Once again, the concept of “new” is very relative. Something is new simply because you haven’t encountered it yet. I often speak with people much younger than me who find something new that, to me, seems familiar or even old. It’s a dynamic that often plays out in design offices, especially where younger people are involved. In the end, what makes something new or old is the gaze of the observer, their background — not the object itself.

RACHELE

I find it fascinating to explore my mother’s archive: it’s a collection of vintage pieces she’s worn and used throughout her life. I go there, search through things, try them on, wear and rewear them: and that’s where a dialogue begins. To me, they feel new, or I discover things that are new to me but remind her of past eras: things that seem incredibly old to her, perhaps outdated or no longer desirable.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa
Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Courtesy of @teatrocometa

CALEIDO

If you had to run away with one object in hand, what would it be?

MARIA GRAZIA

I’d definitely take a book. A book can save you in any situation: it allows you to escape and nurture your imagination.

RACHELE

I’d take a book too: The House of the Spirits by Isabel Allende, which she signed and dedicated to me personally. I’d absolutely run off with that.

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future
Mimì Pecci Blunt on stage at the Teatro Della Cometa – Rome, 1960 Photo by Slim Aarons / Getty Images

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: our suggestions

Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future

*L’Arte della Gioia
by Goliarda Sapienza

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*Tutto sull’amore
by Bell Hooks

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@unilibro_

*Un uomo
by Oriana Fallaci

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@feltrinelli_librerie
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Maria Grazia Chiuri & Rachele Regini: Inventing the future

*House of the Rising Sun Table and chair, Afra & Tobia Scarpa

*Angelika sofa, Marta Sala Editions

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@martasalaeditions.it

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