CONVERSATION

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever

issue #45: Ephemeral, forever

The world of design teaches us that an object stops being ephemeral when it becomes replicable, and therefore eternal. We talked about this with artist Edoardo Piermattei, the protagonist of the first meet with the creative duo Barbieri Magalini, at SPAZIO MM on the occasion of the Opening.

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Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Alberto Nidola

CALEIDO

Your work stems from the pictorial and architectural forms that belong to the medieval and baroque artistic imagination, and in particular from the missing fragments of frescoes inside churches. Broadening the field: how can absence become a source of content?

EDOARDO

Absence, as I understand it, is a form. If you look at art history, in our culture it is normal to give a face, an image, a color to an absence. The key reference point in this conception is the history of art, which historically has worked on images coupled with the figure of the present-absent number one: God. Have you ever seen an image that reminds you of God? That’s what I try to do.

Imagining an ancient fresco, we look at
the parts that remain and imagine the parts
that are no longer there. My work comes from
the need to take those forms and turn them
into something new, the absence becoming
presence, in the end.

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
Unpublished: taken from Edoardo's Camera roll
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Federico Montanari
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Federico Montanari

CALEIDO

We know it for the great architectural works of art (vaults, domes, chimney-walls) characterized by a sculptural, theatrical, scenic arrangement on a grand scale. These are contrasted with actual models, in miniature. How did such dimensional dualism become part of your artistic language? What does it tell about you, however, as a person?

EDOARDO

I have always been impressed by Leon Battista Alberti’s construction of the Sacellum of the Holy Sepulcher in the Basilica of San Pancrazio, which was designed on the model of a reliquary. Even the reliquary itself was actually a scale reconstruction of the Church of the Nativity, in Jerusalem. A model that contained differences, errors, that was not perfect but was designed to remind and contain the idea a huge, grand structure. From this model, Alberti built the Chapel of the Nativity. By changing scale, the work retains the dimension of a work but also becomes, in power, the model for a gigantic work. All movable works are works in themselves, but I always imagine them as potential sketches. All my works are actually great monuments, or missed monuments, they may always grow; they tell of the desire, the idea of always being able to do something bigger, of not putting a limit on what you can do.

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Federico Montanari

CALEIDO

The natural transportation we feel with you has a lot to do with architecture: a discipline that, in common with art, has the ambition to last forever. Do you agree with this parallelism of mine? And in this (utopian) liaison between architecture and art that looks to the eternal-what space does the ephemeral hold?

EDOARDO

I’m not sure that ephemerality in art is opposed to the ambition to last forever – Who would call Chris Burden’s “Shoot” or a performance by Antonio Rezza ephemeral, even if it lasts the time of a performance? Or thinking of a play, a pastry from Caffé Platti: are these works ephemeral? Everything has the ambition to last forever.

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Matteo Natalucci
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Giulio Martino

CALEIDO

Still talking about architecture, you defined art as “the building of man who, after the caves, begins to construct his own fenced and protected garden: his own Paradise.” If you were to think of your own personal “paradise,” what works of art would it consist of?

EDOARDO

Obviously there are works and artists that I love and like very much, but I’m not sure that a “paradise” of mine would look like a collection. I generally don’t really like objects, canvases, museum-like displays, they’re kind of boring. Here, if I think of a paradise, I imagine it more as a place, a where, not something that is contained in that place. Like the Lascaux Caves, places within which those works have found their space and at the same time works in themselves.

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Matteo Natalucci
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Matteo Natalucci
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Matteo Natalucci

CALEIDO

Basilicas, churches and altarpieces: your universe is closely connected to, or perhaps just inspired by, majestic places of worship. What fascinates you about this spiritual sphere? As an artist, I ask you: in our contemporary society, what role does that spiritual sphere take?

EDOARDO

I was born in Offagna, in the Marche region of Italy, and as a native of the Marche region, for sure, I have been greatly influenced by the imagery of worship, with which, after all, our culture is steeped. There is one part of the liturgy in particular that I really like, when the substance of which Jesus Christ is made is declared, and the formula is “Generated, not created.” My opposition is that art is always created and never begotten, almost an opposite of the divine formula, but it remains a great form of inspiration.

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever

CALEIDO

You often talk about the duality between rational thought and emotional inspiration. How does this tension manifest itself in your personal creative process?

EDOARDO

I actually believe that one can be emotional people, emotional artists, however, I am convinced that art itself cannot be.

In my work I am-or I seem to
be-always detached from the emotional part:
art for me must be reasoned, my work
and my works are always detached
from my person. This is what I think now,
then maybe I will be wrong or
change my mind.

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Federico Montanari

CALEIDO

Do you think an artist should be concerned about the interpretation of others? How do you, as an artist, relate to “political correctness”?

EDOARDO

Contro l’interpretazione is the title of a book by Susan Sontag, I feel the same way. In the interpretation of art there is a lot of vanity. Perhaps it is more interesting to reason about the term, if an idea, a work, is called “politically correct,” it seems to me that the speaker has already chosen a position. I don’t find myself being so rigid on the subject. A person who talks about political correctness implies that someone is incorrect, and this generates a very dangerous intellectual drift, with “incorrect” being used as a synonym for revolutionary, for “cool.” The term itself carries with it an intellectual moralism in which I recognize little.

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Nicolò Gialain @masseriacultura
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
ph. Chiara Cadeddu

CALEIDO

What is an object in your home that you would never give up? What is the memory associated with it? Can you send us a photo taken by you?

EDOARDO

A Mickey Mouse book that came out on 5th January 1992, which I received as a present for my 30th birthday.

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever

Edoardo Piermattei: my suggestions

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever

*Le avventure di Pinocchio by Carlo Collodi

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever

*La pelle
by Curzio Malaparte

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever

*Caro Michele by Natalia Ginzburg

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever

*Art is easy by Giuseppe Chiari

*Un dipinto di Pretini by Nino Caffè

Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever
Edoardo Piermattei: Ephemeral, forever

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